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This blog will contain some insight for those who have experienced spiritual abuse and will also hopefully help to educate those who would like to learn about it.
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Intentional & Unintentional Spiritual Abuse

Posted January 2nd, 2012 at 06:45 AM by Lois
Just a few thoughts on intentional or unintentional spiritual abuse. One thing I try to remind people about is that a great many who are involved in these churches are sincere in their beliefs. They often believe that what they are doing is for the Lord. They must stand for "truth."

So in this, some hurt others. It's not because they wanted to do so and they may have no clue as to the damage they bring about in a person. They feel they are sincerely following and serving God.

To show a biblical example, let's remember Saul. He persecuted the church as a Pharisee. He truly believed he was doing what God would have him to do, in upholding what he felt was truth and taking a stand against what he felt was heresy from those following Jesus. He harmed many people in his days of persecuting Christians. He was sincere, but very, very mistaken.

So everyone that is spiritually abusive is not doing it with the wrong intent in their heart. Read on....

There are also those where being in an unhealthy church is all they know. They have watched a leader or someone they admire in the church and emulate them. In doing so, they harm others, all the while thinking it is God's way.

I honestly believe that a good deal of spiritual abuse comes from sincere but mistaken people. I know for myself, that I became judgmental in things and felt I was in the right. I know I did things that probably hurt people at times, but felt I was doing it for their own good. I was so misguided. Do you recall any time you probably hurt someone spiritually, thinking all the while you were taking a stand for 'truth' and doing what God wanted?

I have stated in the past that if the Lord would have opened my former pastor's eyes and let him see all the many people he hurt through the years that he would have been devastated. He hurt many people over many years.

But then there are those who cause deliberate harm. I find much less compassion for those types. I don't like people using and manipulating people. When I watch those tv shows where they are about some man who causes women to fall in love with them and then takes all they have or the ones where people scheme in other ways to defraud someone.... I get angry. It is one thing to unintentionally hurt or harm someone and a totally different ball game when people knowingly do so. There are some ministers so afraid to lose their 'kingdom' or livelihood that they do whatever it takes to keep it.

I heard a story awhile back where such deliberate hurt was inflicted. I saw a glimpse of the pain they had inside. And when such happens under the guise of Christianity, it hurts much more deeply, I believe. Some people have much to answer to when they face the Lord one day.

Abuse, whether intentional or unintentional yet feels the same- and this is mostly true unless one
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Mock UPC Debate- Mark McNeal & Marvin Hicks

Posted January 1st, 2012 at 07:08 AM by Lois
Mock debate between Mark McNeil (former UPC, Texas Bible college graduate & valedictorian, and Marvin Hicks, apostolic minister. The first 11 plus minutes explain why this is a mock debate.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPDuKzoUFM
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Video on the UPC- Mark McNeal & Bob Ross

Posted December 31st, 2011 at 06:59 AM by Lois
An interview with Bob Ross and Mark McNeil about the UPC. Mark was a UPCer, graduated from Texas Bible College, and was the valedictorian.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6LwHMDhvZg
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Video on the UPC

Posted December 30th, 2011 at 08:01 AM by Lois
This is a video on the UPC from Christian Answers.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxWFB5rLv1g
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Correction in the Church

Posted December 29th, 2011 at 06:58 AM by Lois
Correction....there are those who feel a minister has the authority to confront and correct you about any and all aspects of your life, even things quite personal. Some feel they have no right to correct anyone over anything. We have all heard stories that we cannot correct those in leadership, but must leave any correction to God.

There is also the aspect of *how* correction should be made. Are we to openly rebuke people in front of the church for any and all matters? Do you have a right to face your accusers? Should someone just accept the word of one person? Do we have any recourse if we feel the correction is unwarranted or carried out in an inappropriate manner?

The Bible does give the church guidelines concerning correction. But how does this compare to what we were taught and what we may have personally experienced in an unhealthy church?

Many of us experienced it first hand or at least witnessed it. In order to not fall prey to this in the future, you need to get to the heart of it. When we find how the Bible describes correction, then we can hold others to this standard and not allow ourselves to be put in this position again.

I recall my former pastor telling of an incident which happened in his church prior to my becoming a member. He felt there was division in the church and he sat at the front of the church and had each member parade by him and say whether or not they'd been speaking negatively about him. (He based this on an OT incident.)

I forget all the details but I have it recorded on a tape where he brought it up in a sermon (more than once he mentioned this event). So he 'corrected' the people in front of all. After this incident, the church had a split.....I wonder why???

Ministers are not to police people. The Bible teaches against this. Remember when the disciples were discussing amongst themselves which of them would be the greatest? Jesus told them that the greatest must be the last of all, and a servant of all. (Mark 9:35)

In Matthew 20 it describes how the mother of John and James went to Jesus with a request that each of her sons sit at the side of Jesus in his kingdom. Of course, this didn't sit well with the other 10 apostles! But Jesus called them together and explains in verses 25- 28, "...Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. BUT IT SHALL NOT BE SO AMONG YOU: but whosoever will be great among you, LET HIM BE YOUR MINISTER. And whosoever will be chief among you, LET HIM BE YOUR SERVANT: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

If a pastor does not have the heart of a servant and a minister, then they should step down. I Peter 5:2-3 also shows this: "FEED the flock of God which is among you,
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