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A Warped View of God

Posted January 6th, 2012 at 07:21 AM by Lois
"I swear on my soul, that if these men are speaking for God, I would rather spend eternity in hell than serve him. How are you supposed to love the God they represent? Unconditional Love? yet contradicted... Grace? yet contradicted..."

"Because all of that junk had completely clouded my view of Jesus, and I didn't even know who he was anymore. Was he the harsh judge that was just waiting for me to show I wasn't "holy" enough so he could smite me? Was he the one that demanded absolute perfection? The one for whom nothing was ever enough?"

These are the feelings of two people who left their separate churches. Some find it hard to break from the erroneous view of God that they encountered while in an unhealthy church. Every time they see someone from their former group write about the group's beliefs or they read Bible passages that were distorted in their church, they wrestle with trying to break away from the harsh taskmaster they came to know. But this isn't the same Jesus portrayed in the Bible, but rather a false view of Jesus that arises from erroneous teachings and how these are taught and applied.

Erroneous teachings can indeed cloud your view of God. They can give one a very different and distorted view of God. The tragic aspect of this, and one I have seen all too often, are people who can see the error of at least some of the teachings and yet have not yet been able to break from this distorted view of God.

This is what happens in a performance based church and while things vary from one unhealthy church to another, the teachings lead to performance based religion. While many will not say, for instance, that following outward standards is salvational, they will believe one is lost or at the least backslid if they don't adhere. So this actually makes them matters of salvation, whether or not it is specifically stated as such.

This is an excerpt of an email I received from a visitor to the spiritualabuse.org website. They are UPC and wrote: "WE strive to live Christ. Do we error? YES! But we try. There are some Pastor's who goes over board, but for the majority, it is just about trying to make heaven our home. Yes, some things seem extreme, but in comparison to eternity, it is the least we can do. Our dress and appearance is simple a safety protocol we take to assure our success in making heaven our home. I hope you give this some thought."

Take note of what was actually said. It's about trying to make it to heaven. It's about safety measures. It is not at all about trusting in the finished work at Calvary. I don't know how many posts I've read through the years where someone has written something like, "I'd rather be safe than sorry" concerning a teaching. And remember hearing church testimonies that said something like, "Pray for me that I will make it in?"
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Can I Go To A Church Where I Don't Agree With Everything?

Posted January 5th, 2012 at 08:19 AM by Lois
In searching for a new church after leaving an unhealthy one, people often have questions such as these: Do you think it is OK to attend a church that you don't agree with everything they believe in? Do you think God will fault us if we go to a church with who we disagree with some interpretations of the bible?

Even in the New Testament, we find that everyone didn't always see things the very same way. The Bible speaks to the matter in Ephesians 3:

"Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. ....It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." (verses 2, 3, & 12, 13- NIV)

One thing you will find, if you haven't already, is that as you go on in your walk with the Lord, some beliefs are going to change or become more defined. This is because we are ever learning and growing.

Can one find a church where they are in agreement on every single matter? My guess is the answer is probably not. Even while I was in the UPC, I didn't always agree with the pastor on some issues. The ministers within this group do not see eye to eye on everything, thus the many variations of some teachings.

As believers, we are to grow together in the Lord. To me, as long as a church teaches the essentials and isn't into some blatent false teaching, then there isn't anything wrong or potentially harmful with attending, even though you may not be in complete agreement.

Look at it this way. Are you married? Do you and your spouse see eye to eye on every matter? My guess would be no couple does. :) Should this mean the two of you should not remain together? Certainly not!

There are church areas where I personally feel a need to draw a line and this is probably true with everyone. Let me share a for instance from my own experience. When I moved to another state, I started attending a church that seemed okay. They were tolerant of the beliefs of others. But then there came a time where they began promoting an author who was scheduled to speak at their church. The main pastor proclaimed that he felt this author was a prophet for our time. I believe this author to be in error and in no way believe he is a prophet. Making a proclamation that someone is a prophet was no small matter in my eyes. In this instance, I felt I had to leave.

If you are looking for the perfect church, there is none and never will be.

To me, what matters are the basics. I wouldn't have to be in agreement
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Lee Stoneking: Can't Learn Anything From Trinitarians & Oneness Pentecostals Are Better

Posted January 4th, 2012 at 07:12 AM by Lois
Almost nine minutes of Lee Stoneking saying how much better Oneness Pentecostals are from Trinitarians- basically how OP are the elite, the only ones, and he cannot learn anything from Trinitarians, but he can teach them something.

I guess he has forgotten that when the OP movement started, most all had been Trinitarians first. Guess they all knew nothing, too. And, interestingly, the organization to which he belongs has sold books written by Trinitarians, and still does. Guess he's one-of-a-kind.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjhFW90F1A



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Discussion on David Bernard's Book: The Oneness of God

Posted January 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 AM by Lois
Former Oneness Pentecostal & valedictorian of the UPC Texas Bible College, Mark McNeil, discusses the book, "The Oneness of God," written by David K. Bernard, UPC General Superintendent.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJ8et0t5V0
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Funny UPC Impressions

Posted January 3rd, 2012 at 05:11 AM by Lois
For those who were in the UPC, here is a guy doing impressions of a number of their ministers.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4wAlCBcACU
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